Transcript - 21 November, 2003
REPORTER:
Mr Downer, are you aware of the situation surrounding Darin Seagrove in Jakarta? He’s an Australian …
DOWNER:
Yes, I am, yes.
REPORTER:
What’s (indistinct) that?
DOWNER:
Well, I'm concerned about him having been jailed; he's been charged with a number of offences in Indonesia, but the other complication in this, because Australians are often jailed charged with offences, the other complication in his case is concern about his health.
Now, our Consular officials from Jakarta have been in touch with him and yesterday, the doctor from the Australian Embassy was able to gain access to him and to check his health. And we would like to feel that it'd be possible for the doctor to continue to monitor his health. I'm not saying that the doctor thought that he was suffering from any life-threatening circumstance at this moment, but I maintain some concern about his health and as a result I hope that the Indonesian authorities will continue to grant our doctor access when the doctor himself judges that need arises.
REPORTER:
His family’s been very concerned at the moment that he’s very sick. In fact … and we’ve sort of … there’s sort of a semi-lock down, I suppose, in Jakarta with a public holiday coming up, that he may not be able to get the proper medical treatment he needs over the next week; is that a concern?
DOWNER:
Yeah, that's why we sent the doctor and we persuaded the Indonesian authorities to allow not just the local doctor, but our own Embassy doctor to see him. The doctor's report isn't … how can I put it, the doctor's report isn't too bad, but the situation is such that we would like the doctor to be able to continue to monitor him because, you know, he does have a history of some illness and, obviously, the difficult circumstance for him; he's in prison, he's been charged with a number of offences, I gather he's pleading innocent to those charges. Consular officials have been able to talk to him about that and he has legal representation, but over and above that, his health … the health issue is a significant issue and I think the best we can do is not only alert the Indonesian authorities to our concern about that, but ensure that our own doctor is able to monitor his health.
REPORTER:
(Indistinct) family who claims they've made several attempts to get in contact with your department but haven't had much luck.
DOWNER:
Well, I don't know the name and address of every individual who's been in touch. There’s been a lot of contact …
REPORTER:
They’re really concerned at the moment and …
DOWNER:
Well, I mean, we can't change the law of Indonesia; we can't send in the army. In these circumstances, we have to do what is practical and realistic; I think we've done an excellent job to be able to get our doctor into the prison and to see him. I don't … haven't heard that the family has any complaints about that.
REPORTER:
Okay; so you haven't … they're just claiming that they've actually been ignored, they've been trying to (indistinct) …
DOWNER:
I have no evidence of anybody being ignored; there have been calls to my office, calls to my department by a number of people on behalf of the family, and no doubt by the family themselves, and they have been responded to and what's more … the government does everything it can. Officials work tirelessly to help Australians overseas in situations like this and it always saddens me where people think that, you know, a lot of personal criticism and internal debate and so on is somehow going to help. We're doing everything we can; we can't spring him from jail, that's beyond our capability.
REPORTER:
If he were to die, maybe, that'd be a diplomatic problem.
DOWNER:
Well, the doctor saw him yesterday, he wasn't on the threshold of death.